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Distribution of Australian sports fans by league and location

Posted by Laura on Tuesday, 23 March, 2010

Distribution of Australian sports fans by league and location map

I’m trying to make a map of Australian sports fandom across various social networks.  This is going to take a long time and require a long explanation to understand exactly what you’re seeing.  This map isn’t intended to be all comprehensive.  I’m still collecting data and will likely continue to collecting data for a long time.    That’s why a long explanation is needed.

Country League Rugby: Group 21 is represented exclusively by the Facebook group SCONE THOROUGHBREDS RUGBY LEAGUE CLUB. Location was identified the location of the school network members listed themselves as belonging to.

For the NWBL, amongst the social networks I’ve checked so far, only You!Tube had people who listed the league.  And that was one person.  There were several people on Facebook who belonged the Wollongong Roller Hawks group and listed a network which I could affiliate with a city.

The AHL is represented by a Facebook group for the Tassie Tigers and three people on bebo. There were no fans on LiveJournal’s clones or blogger.

The AFL includes full data from 43things, bebo, blogger, eacademy, Daniel Jackson – TIGER TUFF!, Law Hawks and No matter how bad they are, I will still barrack for the Richmond Tigers! groups on Facebook, Gaia Online (but no one was an AFL fan who listed a city), LiveJournal and its clones, only Collingwood from MySpace profile search, only Brisbane Lions, Collingwood Magpies and Carlton Blues from orkut, only the scrapheap_afl mailing list on Yahoo!groups, and only the Geelong Cats on YouTube.

For the NRL, the following Facebook groups were included: Matt Johns to coach the Newcastle Knights in 2010! , Wests Tigers NYC and Melbourne-based Wests Tigers Fanatics. Only the Brisbane Broncos were looked at on 43things. Every team was searched for on bebo, blogger, Gaia Online, LiveJournal and its clones. The sample is much smaller than the AFL. (Though the community on bebo is much larger than AFL community on bebo. It might sort of make up for that.)

WNBL totals came from YouTube, MySpace, eacademy, bebo and LiveJournal clones.

For the NBL, only the Brisbane Bullets were looked at on 43 things. On Facebook for the NBL, unlike for most leagues looked at, an attempt was made to find every group connected to the team. Thus, the following groups and fanpages are represented: Townsville McDonald’s Crocodiles, Adelaide 36ers, Adelaide 36ers are the greatest team of ANY kind EVER!!, Adelaide 36ers Fan Zone, Bring Allen Iverson to the Adelaide 36ers!, Bring Dusty Rychart back to the Adelaide 36ers ~ beg, plead, grovel ;p, Cairns Taipans , Croc Nation, Early 90’s Perth Wildcats appreciation group, Gold Coast Blaze, Melbourne Tigers, melbourne tigers are the best team, Melbourne Tigers Basketball Club, Melbourne Tigers cheer squeda east and south ends , Melbourne Tigers NBL HUMMER CHAMPIONS 2007/08, Melbourne Tigers NBL supporters, New Zealand Breakers, Official Perth Wildcats, Perth Wildcats, Perth Wildcats, Perth Wildcats (Catties Fans), SAVE OUR MELBOURNE TIGERS NBL TEAM , THIS SEASON., Save Our South Dragons:www. saveourdragons.com, South Dragons 2008/09 Nbl Champions, South Melbourne Dragons, The Melbourne Tigers Fan Group, The Official Adelaide 36ers Page, Townsville McDonald’s Crocodiles and Wollongong Hawks. If this was done with other clubs and leagues, the representation for the AFL and NRL would probably be much, much bigger. Every team was looked at on bebo, blogger, LiveJournal and its clones. It also includes members of melbournetigers on Yahoo!Groups.

For the VFL, only the Geelong Cats and Coburg Tigers were checked. On MySpace, Frankston Dolphins , Sandringham Zebras , Werribee Tigers , Collingwood Magpies and Geelong Cats were checked. All teams were checked on LiveJournal and its clones, blogger and bebo.

A-League is represented by a search of all teams on bebo, blogger, LiveJournal and its clones. Orkut was searched for Melbourne Victory fans. It might not show up on the first version of this map because after about seven layers, the mapping software gets slow.

Distribution of Australian sports fans by league and location map

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WNBL on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Thursday, 11 March, 2010

I badly hadn’t looked at the WNBL until I found a few accounts for teams and players on Twitter. The teams weren’t on my list and I had no data for them. There are no fans listing teams as an interest on LiveJournal clones or on blogger. There are a few people who list teams as interests on LiveJournal and bebo. I’ll eventually get around to posting that data. First, I wanted to look at Yahoo!Groups.

There are no mailing lists dedicated to any specific team. There are two dedicated to the WNBL. They are wnbl and pastandpresentwnblplayers. Both have three members.  The second has never had a post made to it.  The first has only had one post.

While there are no lists dedicated to specific teams in the WNBL, there are several mailing lists dedicated to Australian female basketball players.  One such list is tullybevilaqua. Another is laurenjacksonrules.  Neither of these lists are currently active.  (Both are being over run by spam and have been for years.)  The lists don’t highlight the player’s career in the WNBL but rather seem to focus on the athlete playing in US’s WNBA.  Given that, it is hard to slot these player based lists by team.

I’m not entirely certain what it says about Australian women’s basketball that there is an absence of lists for teams but not for players.  Did mailing lists predate a greater emergence of the WNBL?  Are people more interested in star athletes than in any sort of team allegiance?  Is the focus on Australian players who made it into the WNBA more of an issue of Australian pride in players who made it on a big stage? It could be all of those.

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Gridiron Australia community size

Posted by Laura on Monday, 8 March, 2010

I’m still working on completing my various social media totals. Today, I was poking around Twitter and I’m still surprised at the number of teams that don’t have a presence. One league I looked at was Gridiron Australia.  It isn’t a major league but it involves an American sport and it peaked my curiosity.  Unsurprisingly, the size of the community on social media sites is tiny.

Interest WA Raiders SA Fire Queensland Sundevils Victorian Eagles ACT Monarchs NSW Wolfpack
Dreamwidth Studios 0 0 0 0 0 0
DeadJournal 0 0 0 0 0 0
JournalFen 0 0 0 0 0 0
InsaneJournal 0 0 0 0 0 0
Blurty 0 0 0 0 0 0
Inksome 0 0 0 0 0 0
CrazyLife 0 0 0 0 0 0
scribbld 0 0 0 0 0 0
LiveJournal 0 0 0 0 0 0
Blogger 0 0 0 0 0 0
bebo 0 2 1 1 0 0
Facebook 0 0 0 0 0 0
Yahoo!Groups 61 0 0 0 0 0
Twitter 65 0 0 0 0 0
BlackPlanet 0 0 0 0 0 0
orkut 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total 126 2 1 1 0 0

No teams have an official Twitter presence.  The extent to which a team is on Twitter involves a player being there and Tweeting about the team.   The player is @fatloaf.  He plays for the WA Raiders.  There other largest place to find the league is on Yahoo!Groups, where there are two lists dedicated to the WA Raiders:  waraiders and raidersd.  Outside of these scattered networks, there are a few fans on bebo.  It seems likely there are probably a few other fans dedicated to the league and these teams.  If they are, they are probably on more Australian specific networks or communities dedicated to the sport.

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Australian Hockey League on everything

Posted by Laura on Thursday, 11 February, 2010

This is mostly a follow up to Australian Hockey League on blogger, LiveJournal, and LiveJournal clones and Another problem team is problem: Tasmanian Tigers.  I finished looking at the other networks that I’ve been looking at so far: Bebo, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo!Groups.  Given the size of this league and some of the name issues (two teams sharing names with other, bigger teams), I wasn’t surprised that the size was so tiny on these networks.  There isn’t enough data to provide any sort of meaningful analysis so I’m just providing a table of the size of the communities on the aforementioned networks based on the methodology discussed in other posts.

Australian Hockey League

Interest Canberra Labor Club Lakers New South Wales Waratahs NT Stingers Queensland Blades Southern Hotshots Tassie Tigers Victoria Vikings WA Thundersticks
Dreamwidth 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
DeadJournal 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
JournalFen 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
InsaneJournal 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Blurty 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Inksome 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
CrazyLife 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
scribbld 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
LiveJournal 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Blogger 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
bebo 0 2 1 0 0 1 0 0
Facebook 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Yahoo!Groups 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Twitter 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total 0 2 1 0 0 1 0 0

The AHL has zero presence that I can find on Twitter, which is a bit surprising.  No one appears to even be reporting on them.  They also appear to not have a presence on Facebook.  Developing these two would probably help increase their overall visibility.

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AFL Canberra on Facebook, Yahoo!Groups and bebo

Posted by Laura on Thursday, 11 February, 2010

Somewhat surprisingly, no one lists Ainslie Football Club, Belconnen Magpies, Eastlake Football Club, Queanbeyan Tigers, Sydney Swans Reserves or Tuggeranong Hawks as an interest on Facebook.  On Yahoo!Groups, there are no mailing lists dedicated to AFL Canberra or its teams.

What is surprising is the comparatively large size of the AFL Canberra fan community on bebo where, when combined, includes thirteen people.  That’s twelve more than the next nearest network looked at.

Of the six teams, the Tuggeranong Hawks have the most fans at six. Ainslie Football Club, Eastlake Football Club and Queanbeyan Tigers come in second with two fans each.  Belconnen Magpies is fifth with one fan.  The Sydney Swans Reserves are last with zero fans.

The Tuggeranong Hawks fans are the oldest, averaging 21 years of age. Eastlake Football Club is in a close second at 20.5.  Ainslie Football Club and Queanbeyan Tigers have the youngest fans, with their fans being 18.  When people listed their city or state of residence, everyone listed Canberra or a suburb in the ACT.  In  at least two cases for Tuggeranong fans, they listed Canberra and another city.  The other cities included Perth and Batesman Bay.  All the fans of the Queanbeyan Tigers and the Tuggeranong Hawks were male.  This contrasts with Ainslie Football Club and Eastlake Football Club where their two fans were split equally amongst the two gender: One male and one female fan.

The composition of the AFL Canberra fan community is not particularly surprising, except for its youth.  Fans of teams in the league are local.  The population of the community is still small, especially when compared to the AFL on bebo. The gender split feels logical though I can’t clearly articulate why.  Given that it exists, the data fits with other data collected.

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Perth Wildcats on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Tuesday, 9 February, 2010

There appears to be no New Zealand Breakers, Townsville Crocodiles, Wollongong Hawks  communities on Yahoo!Groups.  Thus, they do not get their own posts.

There are two groups on Yahoo dedicated to the Perth Wildcats: thewildcatsden and  perthwildcatssupportersclub.  Both were created in late 2000.  The first has 56 but has had exclusively spam content since late April 2001.  The second has three members, no real spam content and has had no new posts since April 10, 2001.  Between the two, there were 26 legitimate total posts.  I’m not graphing it because there really isn’t much variation and anything to suggest that for this small community ever really had a presence on the service; a one year pattern is unlikely to correlate with team performance.



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Melbourne Tigers on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Tuesday, 9 February, 2010

I haven’t and won’t be doing a separate post for the Cairns Taipans and the Gold Coast Blaze.  There are no communities dedicated to them on Yahoo!Groups.

There are two groups dedicated to the NBL team Melbourne Tigers: melbournetigers and Melb_Tigers.  The first has ten members and was founded on July 4, 2001.  The second has one member and was founded on July 25, 2006.  Melb_Tigers has never had any activity.  melbournetigers in contrast has had a total of six posts, with all posting having stopped by October 18, 2002.  There really isn’t enough activity to speak to any posting trends.

melbournetigers has never had any spam posting and when you look at the membership, it looks like it has been free of spam posters joining.   Only three posters have joined since that activity ended.  Of those three, one is from Victoria, Australia.

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Brisbane Bullets on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Tuesday, 9 February, 2010

Like the Adelaide 36ers, there is one group on Yahoo!Groups dedicated to the Brisbane Bullets: BrisbaneBullets.  It was created on March 2, 2007 and has three members. It can be found in the Australia category. Unlike the 36ers list, this group has some posting, the first of which was made on November 4, 2008.  Sadly, all this activity is spam related from two people.  It looks like the founder never posted.

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Adelaide 36ers on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Tuesday, 9 February, 2010

I’ve not been updating here much of late because of some real life issues.  Fun fun. If anyone wants a copy of the data I have so far, please let me know.

That said, I searched for the Adelaide 36ers on Yahoo!Groups.  There is one list dedicated to the team: 36ers. It was created on March 19, 2003.  It has one member and there have never been any posts to the list.  The list appears in the general basketball category.

Even with one member, the community size on Yahoo!Groups is bigger than that of the LiveJournal clones.

It will be interesting to see how the size of the community here compares to the other NBL teams.

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New South Wales Swifts on LiveJournal, bebo and Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Thursday, 14 January, 2010

The New South Wales Swifts were originally the Sydney Swifts and part of the Commonwealth Bank Trophy.  When the event change and became the ANZ Championship and became more of a state versus state netball competition, the team’s name change.  The team names are used interchangably here depending on the original usage.

The team has been discussed in an earlier post about the size of the ANZ Championship community on Twitter.  This post will look into the specific community dedicated to the New South Wales Swifts on LiveJournal, bebo and Yahoo!Groups.

There is one group dedicated to the Sydney Swifts on Yahoo!Groups.  It was created on May 16, 2001 and currently has 50 members.  The group has been neglected and been the subject of spam starting in 2005.  Prior to that, discussion on the list had ended in March 2002 (with the admin having deleted three spam e-mails in November 2003).  There were 84 legitimate posts to the list in this period.  Graphing it, the posting volume looks like:

This posting pattern is similar to that of the some of the less active AFL teams on Yahoo!Groups.  I joined the list to find out membership demographic information.  Only eleven of the current members joined when there was active posting to the list.  Ten people joined in the period with no posting, and the other 29 joined during periods of active spamming.   Of the 50, only four listed their demographic information.  When the list was active, the person who listed their age has 21, female and Australian.  After the period of active spam, the three people listing demographic information were all male and older.  Of the two who listed their country of residence, neither listed Australia.    (For the totals on Yahoo!Groups on my chart, this will listed at 50, despite the the fact that  only 21 or so are probably legitimately interested in the team.  At the moment, I do not have the time and ability to join every team related mailing list to determine who is and is not a legitimate poster based on join date.)

On LiveJournal, there are two people who list the Sydney Swifts as an interest and zero who list the New South Wales Swifts as an interest.  Of the two, one updated a week ago, is 22 and from New South Wales.  The other has not updated in 162 weeks and does not list a country of residence.

There are four people who list the Sydney Swifts as an interest on bebo and zero who list the New South Wales Swifts as an interest.  Only one lists their age, 20.  The other three list their location and all are based i New South Wales.

The community on Twitter is the largest, with 90 people following the official team account.  Facebook, surprisingly, has no one listing the team as an interest.  Yahoo!Groups probably legitimately had the second largest following with 21 if we only count back in the day.  The fact that bebo and LiveJournal both have bigger interest than Facebook is also surprising.

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North Melbourne Kangaroos on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Tuesday, 12 January, 2010

This post continues to look at the historical activity level of AFL fans on Yahoo!Groups.  This time, the focus is on the North Melbourne Kangaroos.

If you look at the North Melbourne Kangaroos category on Yahoo!Groups, you will find ten groups.  Of these, six of these are actually dedicated to the team.  They are northmelbournekangaroos, themightyrooboys, nmfc, mightyrooboys, northkangaroosclub and thenorthmelbournefc.  With the exception of themightyrooboys which was created in 1999, all the lists were created in 2000.  The average total membership membership is 24.  The lists all have open membership and have an ongoing spam problem.

I looked at the lists to determine when these lists had legitimate posting, added up the monthly totals across all six lists and generated the following chart:

The community was at its most active when it started.  There were two small season drops during the off season with the community all but disappearing after the 2002 campaign.  This some what resembles the pattern for the Essendon Bombers, though that community had more overall activity and a more extreme drop off in posting.  It looks like this particular service was never embraced by fans of the team as one of their early means of communicating.

In order to find out legitimate posting periods for nmfc, I had to join the list.  The list has 35 members at the moment. On topic posts to the list ended in January 2002.  Spam posting started in August 2004.  I decided to get membership demographics for the list since membership gave me access to a member list.  Of the 35 members, only one listed their age or gender (57, female) and no one listed their location.  (She joined during a period of legitimate posting.) Of the 35 members, thirteen or 37% joined during the period of legitimate posting.  Four members or 11% joined in the period where there was no posting.  Eighteen members or 51% joined during the period of only spam posting.  That’s a big problem for any sort of attempts to revive the list.  It is also a big problem for Yahoo!Groups and could explain why people who love mailing lists eschew their service.  It also makes it hard to legitimately get demographic data off the service, unless the assumption is made that all people joining after the period of spam content are actually spammers and their demographic data can be ignored.

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Richmond Tigers on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Friday, 8 January, 2010

This post is part of a series looking at the AFL fandom on Yahoo!Groups.  It focuses on providing general historical information about these groups: When they were founded and activity levels.  For a critique of the problems on Yahoo!Groups in getting demographic information, read Sydney Swans on Yahoo!Groups and The AFL on Yahoo!Groups.

This post is about the Yahoo!Group’s Richmond Tigers community. The Richmond Tigers directory on Yahoo!Groups has fifteen mailing lists.  Of these, ten are actually about the Richmond Tigers.  The lists are tiger_fury, sydrfc, tiger-talk, rfceyeofthetiger, RFC_Tigers, RFC-Tigers, rfctigerlovers, go_tigs87, feralrfc, and richmondtigers.   Of these, one has no posts (rfctigerlovers), one has one post (tiger_fury), four have ten or fewer posts (rfceyeofthetiger, RFC_Tigers,go_tigs87, richmondtigers), one has 20 posts (sydrfc), one has 4,874 posts (RFC-Tigers) and one has 92,687 (tiger-talk) as of the end of 2009.  If tiger-talk is not included, the average total membership to these groups is 22.  tiger-talk has 477 members and allows anyone to join but new members are moderated.  This keeps out the worst of the spam.  The half of the lists were created in 2003.  Two were created in 1999 and 2000.  One list was created in 2005.  Unlike the Swans, Bombers, Dockers and Bulldogs, this particular Yahoo!Groups population had some very active lists where the total volume on the list surpassed the total activity for all other groups.  Adding the legitimate posting volume together across all lists, the following chart was created:

To be honest, the posting patterns here are closer to what I expected to find for most teams: Big spikes during the season with and overall decline in activity as the population shifted away from Yahoo!Groups to other services.  That the minimal activity for other teams appeared to coincide with a team’s overall performance was rather surprising.

If I get the chance/have the time to go through and add data for team specific mailing lists not in the right subcategory, I may have to revisit some of the data I already posted to see if things change and more patterns like this one emerge.

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Essendon Bombers on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Friday, 8 January, 2010

This post is part of a series looking at the AFL fandom on Yahoo!Groups.  It focuses on providing general historical information about these groups: When they were founded and activity levels.  For a critique of the problems on Yahoo!Groups in getting demographic information, read Sydney Swans on Yahoo!Groups and The AFL on Yahoo!Groups.

This post is about the Yahoo!Group’s Essendon Bombers community.The Essendon Bombers directory on Yahoo!Groups has twenty-one mailing lists.  Of these, fifteen are actually about the Essendon Bombers.  The lists are ultimateessendonbombersclub, bombersrule, essendonsofficialyah00club, marksessendonfansroom, essendonunknownandforgotten, bombers4eva, gobombers, thewindyhillbombers, bombersofficialyah00club, the-bombers, babybombers, essendonbombers, ihopeessendonchoke, thebomberfanclub, and essendon.  Of these, three have never had any real activity (essendonunknownandforgotten, bombersofficial, and the-bombers), two have had one post (essendonsofficialyah00club, essendon) and six others have had fewer than ten posts (bombersrule, marksessendonfansroom,   gobombers, thewindyhillbombers, ihopeessendonchoke, thebomberfanclub).  Two were created in 1999, eight were created in 2000, four were created in 2001 and one was created in 2007.

I  added real posting from the lists together and created the following chart:

This community was active between June 1999 and October 2002.  After that, the community basically died off with almost no posting.  This period between 1999 and 2001 was one where the team had performed rather well.   In 2000, the team won 20 games in a row.  After that, the team did not perform as well.  Compared to the other teams looked at, this pattern is a bit weird because of the drop off after 2002.  The total volume, both in terms of total mailing lists and total posts, is also different.  It makes that drop off all the more fascinating.  The drop off in activity may possibly relate to other factors, such as the small size of the community on LiveJournal clones that were most active in the period immediately as this community went inactive.  It will be interesting to compare the community creation dates on bebo and LiveJournal, to see if the population may have shifted towards those sites.

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Fremantle Dockers on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Friday, 8 January, 2010

This post is part of a series looking at the AFL fandom on Yahoo!Groups.  It focuses on providing general historical information about these groups: When they were founded and activity levels.  For a critique of the problems on Yahoo!Groups in getting demographic information, read Sydney Swans on Yahoo!Groups and The AFL on Yahoo!Groups.

This post is about the Yahoo!Group’s Freemantle Dockers community.The Fremantle Dockers directory on Yahoo!Groups has five mailing lists.  Of these, four are actually about the AFL team and one is generally dedicated to the AFL.  The four lists are docker_1995, fremantledockersinternetclub, Fremantle_Dockers, and grazzasfremantledockersclub. The first was created in February 2008 and as three members.  There has been no legitimate content posted to it.  The second two were both founded in 2000. fremantledockersinternetclub has 17 members and legitimate content appears to have ended after May 2006. Fremantle_Dockers has 66 members.  Legitimate content ended after January 2005. grazzasfremantledockersclub was founded in December 1999 and has 23 members.  Legitimate content ended after April 2002.

I  added real posting from the lists together and created the following chart:

This community just is not as active as the Sydney Swans or Western Bulldogs.  The peak for the Bulldogs was at about 24 and the peak for the Swans was 49.  What is interesting is that the peaks differ, with a 2003 peak for the Dockers compared to a 2001 and 2008 peak for the Bulldogs and a 2005 and 2006 peak for the Swans. According to Wikipedia, 2003 was a great year for the Dockers as they finished 5th and made it to the finals.  While they finished 3rd and made it to the finals in 2006, there was no similar bump.  For this team, there have to be other factors at play to explain the overall low posting volume and the total posting drop off since late 2006.

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Western Bulldogs on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Friday, 8 January, 2010

This post is part of a series looking at the AFL fandom on Yahoo!Groups.  It focuses on providing general historical information about these groups: When they were founded and activity levels.  For a critique of the problems on Yahoo!Groups in getting demographic information, read Sydney Swans on Yahoo!Groups and The AFL on Yahoo!Groups.

This posts looks at the Western Bulldogs. The Western Bulldogs directory on Yahoo!Groups have ten mailing lists.  Of these, two are actually about the AFL team.  They are westernbulldogsfootballclub and westernbulldogskennel.  The first has 56 members, closed membership, an active moderator and is active.  The second has ten members, open membership and has only had one message posted since its founding.  Both lists were founded in 2000.

I took the monthly total posting volumes from both lists, added them together and created the following chart:

There were two major monthly peaks.  One took place in November 2008 with 24 posts.  The second major peak was in March 2001 with 16 posts.  The November peak occurred a few months after the team finished the season as a preliminary finalist.  The March 2001 peak was at the beginning of a season, after a season where the team had been an elimination finalist.  In between these two peaks, with the exception of 2006, the team performed rather poorly.  Performance here may be indicative of interest in discussing the team.  Another possible cause for these patterns involves the administrator of the mailing list.  As the admin needs to approve new members, it might be possible that from 2003 to 2007 the admin was not active in approving new members.  There just isn’t enough data here to have a definitive conclusion.

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Sydney Swans on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Friday, 8 January, 2010

As mentioned in my previous post, Yahoo!Groups has a spam problem.  Open membership groups get a lot of spammers joining.  Capatchas do not seem to stop spammers from joining.  Absentee owners, often from groups founded five to ten years ago, mean that these spammers are free to spam with out any consequences.   Public archives are a great incentive for spammers to do this as others archive those posts and provide additional links for them.  Yahoo!Groups is thus a bit more problematic, demographic information wise, than blogger (where spammers don’t fill in that info), bebo, LiveJournal and Facebook.  It just doesn’t feel worthwhile to make the effort to get it.

That said, I still want to look at Yahoo!Groups and their history in Australia’s sports fandom.  The first team I am looking at is the Sydney Swans.  There are fourteen groups listed in Yahoo!Groups Sydney Swans category.  Of these, six are actually dedicated to the Sydney Swans.  These are rainbow_swans, sydneyswansfc, redandwhiteonline, sydneyswanscentral, judeboltonandthesydneyswans, and swanniesfansunited.

All the Sydney Swans mailing lists were created in a window between October 1998 and October 2003, with one created in both those months and the other four created in 2001.  (In 2000, Yahoo!Groups acquired egroups and by 2001, they had migrated those mailing lists over.  In 2001, Yahoo!Groups had also lifted the ban on adult mailing lists.  Neither of these events likely explains the 2001 surge in group creation.  Other factors such as general internet connectivity and ease of creation of mailing lists on Yahoo!Groups compared to other tools like majordomo probably do a much better job at explaining this surge.)

All of these mailing lists  are currently pretty dead, with the exception of occasional spam posting.   I looked at each list to determine when spam content started and legitimate posting ended.  The total posting volume for these lists was then gathered and the following chart was created:

Mailing list volume in 2009 was a result of activity that was taking place on rainbow_swans, a mailing list for GLBT fans of the team.  Volume across all lists peaked in September 2005, the month that the team won their last Grand Final.  This activity all took place on rainbow_swans.  The month after their victory, volume dropped from 49 to 10 but there was activity on three lists.  The second major peak was in August 2006.  This was a month before the team appeared in the Grand Final, which they lost.  The volume was ten less than the previous year and, again, all took place on one list.  September, when they actually played in the finals, volume was significantly less at 26 total posts.

Overall, activity levels for the team’s fans on Yahoo!Groups tends to correlate with the team’s overall performance and when they are playing games during the season.

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The AFL on Yahoo!Groups

Posted by Laura on Thursday, 7 January, 2010

There is a directory for Yahoo!Groups dedicated to the Australian Football League.   There are 276 lists found in it.   There are an additional 195 listed in the Clubs and Team subcategory.  And then there are the following counts for team specific subcategories:

It is possible to get data from some of these lists if you either join them or member data is public.  (scrapheap_afl for instance has 25 members and hasn’t been updated since August 2009.   Eight people list their ages with an average age of 38. Eight people list their country.  Two are from Australia, two are from the United Kingdom and four are from the United States.  Nine people list their gender and all are male.)  For mailing lists that require joining to get the information, most of them have open membership.  Spammers than join and post unrelated, offtopic spam.  This spam problem thus makes the data very suspect.  The number of communities is also suspect because there are several instances of incorrect categorization.  For instance, there is an Indian department soccer team grouped in the Western Bulldogs category.

If we were looking for a reason to use this data, it might be best used for historical purposes: When were these communities created and when were they most active?  When did they go inactive?  This data would have to be currated manually as the suspect groups would need to be removed and periods of high spam posts would need to identified.  Hopefully, in the next day or so, I can provide some data that has the creation dates of Yahoo!Groups to help begin to analyze these patterns.

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